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    Posted: 13 Apr 2011 at 10:30am
We are doing the 40 days book.  An ongoing issue in my marriage is that my spouse is needy (surely I am too). Clearly he has not had enough love and I feel that I am responsible to give him that love. I feel angry and frustrated and drained because of this.   Today he asked if I would be willing to share my "checklist" of daily unconditional loving things I could do for him.  My reply was... that's not the point.  What I wanted to do was scream at him and say, "hey idiot!  the point is that I get to choose what and when I give to you and that you aren't checking up on me to make sure that I have done those things!"  I did not.. however, I am getting ready to go to work right now and I feel sick. I do understand and see that he is drowning, I am drowning.. I am feeling hopeless and really tired of this ongoing issue of...not feeling like I am doing it right.  Has anyone else experienced this in their marriage?  If so, I could sure use some empathy and feedback about it.  Thanks!
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Hi Enchanted,
 
 
We are doing the 40 days book. 
 
**Good decision.
 
An ongoing issue in my marriage is that my spouse is needy (surely I am too). 
 
**Yep.
 
Clearly he has not had enough love
 
**You bet.
 
and I feel that I am responsible to give him that love. 
 
**Not.
 
I feel angry and frustrated and drained because of this. 
 
**Yep. If you can lose your expectation that the love he needs HAS to come from you, you'd be more relaxed. If you could see and accept that there will be, at least in the beginning, MANY moments when you simply CAN'T love him, that'll help too. All you ever have to do is say something like this, "Honey, I see that you need me to love you right now but I can't. I'm fresh out or, I'm just plain empty myself, or I'm just....whatever." Or you could say what I used to say, and I chuckle as I remember how I used to have to READ this simple statement. "I'm not loving enough to participate in this conversation."
 
Today he asked if I would be willing to share my "checklist" of daily unconditional loving things I could do for him.  My reply was... that's not the point. 
 
**Next time something like this is asked of you, try saying, "no." "or "yes" and then put your lips together and leave them there. Just answer the question. THIS WILL FEEL STRANGE, STRANGE, STRANGE. Confused BUT NOT FOREVER. Just ask and just answer. Make that a mantra and it will serve you well. Wink It's a VERY loving way to live.
 
What I wanted to do was scream at him and say, "hey idiot!  the point is that I get to choose what and when I give to you and that you aren't checking up on me to make sure that I have done those things!"  I did not..
 
**I can soOO relate and how awesome it is that you did not!
 
however, I am getting ready to go to work right now and I feel sick.
 
**Of course.
 
I do understand and see that he is drowning, I am drowning.. I am feeling hopeless and really tired of this ongoing issue of...not feeling like I am doing it right. 
 
**Yeah, you are drowning that's true, and I know the tired feeling that you're talking about, it sucks. What isn't true, THANKFULLY is that it's hopeless. It's not AND you're not alone. I for one am here for you and willing to help in any way that I am able and there are MANY others who are willing to do the same.
 
**Change isn't easy, I know but my oh MY is it worth the effort it takes and then some.
 
Has anyone else experienced this in their marriage? 
 
**Me....LOL
 
If so, I could sure use some empathy and feedback about it. 
 
**I hope this reply helps.
 
Thanks!
 
**My pleasure!!
 
Love to you,
Angela


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Angela,
 
Thank you so much for your response and your love... I felt it.  I cried when I read your response and also, felt hopeful!  I really appreciate you!
 
Love,
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Oh honey,

Anytime at all. We need to feel loved and we need help learning how, all of us. So, don't hesitate to reach out. You don't have to do this alone.
 
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Originally posted by RLP Angla Nin

and I feel that I am responsible to give him that love. 
 
**Not.
 
I feel angry and frustrated and drained because of this. 
 
**Yep. If you can lose your expectation that the love he needs HAS to come from you, you'd be more relaxed. If you could see and accept that there will be, at least in the beginning, MANY moments when you simply CAN'T love him, that'll help too. All you ever have to do is say something like this, "Honey, I see that you need me to love you right now but I can't. I'm fresh out or, I'm just plain empty myself, or I'm just....whatever." Or you could say what I used to say, and I chuckle as I remember how I used to have to READ this simple statement. "I'm not loving enough to participate in this conversation."
 
This was very helpful for me to read. I am going through the same feeling. Realizing that the people around me are not giving me real love because they don't have that love themselves, I feel responsible for giving the unconditional love to make them feel better (which I don't have either, so can't give it)
 
So I am wondering, if 'Enchanted' can't give that love to her husband at any given moment, and I can't give it - how do we help others get that real love? (particularly if they want nothing to do with this whole 'real love' concept at all?) Or do we just focus on getting it ourselves and not try to help them get it?
 
 
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You asked "So I am wondering, if 'Enchanted' can't give that love to her husband at any given moment, and I can't give it - how do we help others get that real love? (particularly if they want nothing to do with this whole 'real love' concept at all?)
 
***You don't!  You can't give what you don't have!  You do the best you can to stay off what Greg calls the "Field of Death" (that place where everybody is out for themselves and nobody wins).
 
Or do we just focus on getting it ourselves and not try to help them get it?"
 
***You focus on you until you have something to give.  At that point you can bring it back to the relationship.  Some consider this "selfish" because they don't feel they deserve their own time and attention.  Most of us were raised by empty parents raised by other empty parents.  Learning to keep the focus on yourself can be difficult and different!
 
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So I am wondering, if 'Enchanted' can't give that love to her husband at any given moment, and I can't give it - how do we help others get that real love? (particularly if they want nothing to do with this whole 'real love' concept at all?) Or do we just focus on getting it ourselves and not try to help them get it?
 
*** It's like now you only have $2 (or may be even $0) of Real Love...and right now they need about $2000. At this moment, you simply don't have what they need so there's no way you can give it to them. Impossible. 

Right now,  focus on you and fill yourself up with Real Love. Then, in the future, after you start getting filled with Real Love, you may have $5000 or $2 million of Real Love and you can give them the $2000 (or whatever sum) of Real Love they need.

You're the one who found Real Love, so work on getting yourself filled-up. It's a whole different experience. And very rewarding in the long run. 


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Ok, I understand the Field of Death and how if everyone is out for themselves, no one can win.
I don't quite understand the 'focus on you' part though. How is focusing on me any different than being 'out for myself'? (Field of Death) It sounds like you're saying not to be out for myself, but to instead focus on myself...
 
Is focusing on myself 'just' finding people who can give me real love and sharing my truth with them? Or is it something more than that?
 
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You focus on you until you have something to give. At that point you can bring it back to the relationship. Some consider this "selfish" because they don't feel they deserve their own time and attention. Most of us were raised by empty parents raised by other empty parents. Learning to keep the focus on yourself can be difficult and different!
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dallas,

Is focusing on myself 'just' finding people who can give me real love and sharing my truth with them? Or is it something more than that?

If you want to have Real Love in your life, you must find others (aka Wise Men and Women) who have it to give to you. And get Real Love into your life by telling your TRUTH (before you know what the result will be) which lets you be SEEN by people who can unconditionally ACCEPT you and LOVE you. Bit by bit, that will start getting you filled-up with Real Love.

And once you start feeling Real Love, and the connection with other people that brings, you'll notice that you are no longer as empty and afraid as you once were. You no longer need to trade in Imitation Love, as you understand how empty and addictive those IL behaviors are.

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I've been in this situation recently and discovered something that was incredibly helpful to tease apart the snarl of who did what and what was my responsibility. Down further in the Forum topics are JoAnne's posts of her Pearl calls. They cut straight to the truth and have been so helpful. Even just reading them, carefully, slowly has been like a straight shot of Real Love. Hope this helps you too.
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