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    Posted: 28 Aug 2010 at 11:44am
Julifer,
I have to admit to you that after reading your last post, my stomach just wrenched up into a knot and I had to just get away from the computer and get on with my day because my old knee jerk reaction of thinking I was responsible for others problems kicked in. I knew if I responded to you while I was feeling that, I would not truly be present here with you, but living back in my own childhood where I learned to take on the responsibility to try to figure out what to do to get the family pain to STOP!  I had no magic wand and neither parent wanted to change so I did the best think I could to get away from how powerless I felt...get up in my head and intellect and figure, figure, figure out what I could do about it. Doing that felt a ton better than feeling my emotions.  Such a burden I laid on myself, but I have compassion now for the fact that I was only doing what I could to survive through it.  Other of my family members acted out in anger and got into drugs, alcohol and sex to numb out their pain.

So your kids will need to find their own avenues also to numb out from their inability to create safety and security in their own home because they have to live under what you allow to go on.  That is a tough pill to swallow, I know and I am sure hard to hear.  Why do we allow others to verbally abuse and control us...because they can and it is not only very abusive and harmful to us, but to the one allowed to abuse others, it further entrenches him/her into that pattern.  The adult being abused/allowing it is usually the one who is looked at as a powerless victim and the abuser is seen as the monster...both are cooperating with a system that is doing harm to the family and both are equally responsible for the harm done to any children involved. 

I recently wrote a post talking a bit about doormats under the Marriage heading/Being controlled conversation. It might be worth the read to get an idea of why we think we have no choice out of changing our own part in this destructive system.  I would not choose to live with someone who believes it is okay to take their anger out on me and my kids in the way you have described.  Because you have cooperated with him, he believes it is an okay way to behave even tho' you may go through times where you fight back, you still stay under the same roof with him so he knows your current anger will dissipate in time and he can continue to keep up his damaging behavior. 

We have the habit of not wanting to see our choices when we fear we need to do something different and it is going to rock the boat.  You have grown up as I did...not feeling you can trust yourself to do the right thing and I really understand that.  There are always good unconscious reasons why we stay in harmful situations and I do not judge you for being driven by your fears...when you get locked into the false belief that you are powerless, you do feel paralyzed...I know, I have been there.

I am here to say, you do have choices and your partner also gets to make his choices which you have absolutely no control over.  So when you decide what you are your kids need in order to live in safety and feelings of security, you can act with your power to choose that for yourself.  As you state what you need and can not allow anymore from your partner, you will find out if he is willing to do his own work, getting his own help he needs to grow and learn something different to tend to his own wounds he incurred from the way he grew up.  Ultimately, he will not know you mean business unless you really do mean you will do what it takes to insure your own and children's safety.

On another note, it makes complete sense that you would have a tough time posting and not having your partner's actions at the center of your writing.  Your current situation puts all the power for things to change or not in his hands, so by seeing your problems as all him you would need to describe all that he is doing.  After reading this, you may be better able to see your equal responsibility as you cooperate with the system that needs you to see yourself as powerless subservient to  the monster.  You will feel false guilt and feelings of being selfish when you pick your own power to make choices again...this is a natural thing we all feel when we have been made to feel "bad" for using our power to choose in the past.

All my love and support to you as you digest this. I am hear to listen to your fears, anxieties that come in a situation like this and do not see you as a bad person. When we are blind to our choices and are only able to be guided by our fears,  we make harmful mistakes and enable others to use us to pour out their inner pain and anger upon us.  If you are here and asking questions and telling the truth about yourself I can only guess that you want the best for you, your partner and your children and that is how I perceive you. Thank you so much for your honesty and desire to learn something new. 
Here with you if you need to write out your thoughts to someone who is listening and can love you.
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Agreed on all avenues.  A few years ago, I started getting that sense of who am I?  I am who everyone wants me to be and I do everything that everyone wants me to in fear of being rejected.  It gets so tiring to try to do that and I found myself exhausted and still had no REAL friends.  Then my church friends started telling me that I don't do anything for myself and I live too much for my family.  The problem is when you are really weak and don't trust your own judgment, neither does anyone else.  I overcompensate and turn out to be offensive and trying to find that middle ground can be exhausting as well.  I am an enabler.  I see that.  I also see what I have been teaching my kids and I am ashamed and guilty.  My daughter and son stayed out too long yesterday against my wishes and they whined at me to stay out later and I had so much trouble enforcing the boundaries and then the consequence....again, my husband didn't do anything and left it to me.  I did nothing and feel deflated today.  I am scared of them in a way.  I took my daughters phone away last week and it felt so good to be strong and she seemed to respect me.  I felt powerless yesterday. 
Thank you for your letters, they are so helpful and insightful. 
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Hi,
 
We see you being a victim!  It's ok, you're still loveable!  You are doing the best job you can right now at telling the truth.  You'll get better with practice!  Try to see that it is not your husband's fault, although it's really tempting to think that way.  It's because you have NEVER really been loved.  He's just the most recent and readily available example.  He would if he could, he isn't withholding, he doesn't have it either!  Take care of yourself by turning to us, did you get a call list yet?  Have you been on a conference call yet?  You'll get more full and expect/demand less from him.  Your responsibility at this point is to get loved, by people who are trying to be more loving... conference calls, and call list.  Hang in there, things will improve, but it won't be quick, easy or overnight and it will take effort on your part to do the right things and fewer of the wrong ones (blaming, victim, etc.).  But, keep telling the truth, don't hide your mistakes..... love ya!
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No conference calls yet.  I cannot find a time that works in my schedule.  I am busiest at night and free during the day.  I do not have a call list.  I do blame my husband still and cannot stop that pattern of thinking.  I do not think of him first.  I don't know how!  Question:  I cooked dinner last night and he helped with the dishes and left before they were done. Got himself a beer and went out in the back yard to pick up after the dog.  Later, he came up to me and said, "You should thank me for doing the dishes!"  What in that moment could I have said to make him feel loved because my first thought was, "If I say Thank You, it will be paid for and meaningless!"  Should I have said, "Thank You!" Would that have made him feel more at ease and loved. I don't know what the loving thing to do is.  I feel so stupid saying that.  I don't think I am getting this at all.
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"I am an enabler.  I see that.  I also see what I have been teaching my kids and I am ashamed and guilty"

I realize these words are the knee-jerk reaction of someone who does not feel loved to eat bowls of shame and guilt when they are finding consequences they do not like in their lives, but I just wanted you to know...you don't have to eat that if you don't want to.  I have a garden and find that peeing on the plants just doesn't make them thrive well, but makes them want to curl up and die.  I know how pervasive shame and guilt can be and find those feelings covering over every mistake I make wanting me to wallow and sink down deep in them to receive my self-inflicted punishment.  Being here, re-reading the truth to remind yourself of it, making calls...all places to keep on bringing yourself back to instead of taking the plunge down, down, down deeper into helplessness. 

I am so glad you are hearing your inner longing to be who you really are.  It is that Real part of you who is Loveable who has been covered up for so long just trying to please others in order not to be rejected. We learned to become invisible/good girls in order to receive what little bit of acceptance we could get by "staying out of the way." By living that way, we did erase ourselves, cut off the parts of us that inconvenienced others.  Time to re-connect back into our lovable selves and present ourselves to people who aren't into giving out more bowls of guilt and shame. This is a big choice that you will get to choose to make time and time again as you grow...to pour the acid of self-loathing guilt and shame upon an already tired self or to give yourself some grace...reaching out for the unconditional love you have to have to thrive and grow.  The temptation is strong, I know to choose to beat yourself up right now, but you need your strength and energy to be used in a more productive way and don't deserve to be punished just because you feel empty and unloved.  We all have the consequences that are tough to deal with from not being loved and acting out of anger and fear...you're in good company and not alone as you learn to receive the love you deserve.


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When you feel more loved you will just naturally see how to be more loving.  If you had been fuller (emphasis here on "if"), you might have just thrown your arms around him and said, "Thank you!"   Greg says that every time we open our mouths, we're really saying, "love me!?"  You, however, have not seen examples of how to do it, nor have you really experienced feeling really loved.  Conference calls will allow you to hear and feel many examples of how this works.  You can also ask on conference calls to have call lists forwarded to you by email.  Or you can send a private message on here and ask for them. 
 
We are all stupid when it comes to Real Love, so don't worry about it and get used to it!  You are telling the truth and that is the foundation of everything!  Way to go.
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Hi Julifer,
 
I'm delighted that you're here. I'm very excited for you and your family. It only takes ONE person to get out of the pool and you're it! You're doing just fine in your posts. And you're so loved. You get to stumble your way through this just like the rest of us and we'll be here for you every stumble of the way. It's how it goes.
 
I understand that it's tough to find time for yourself in the evenings when the conference calls are taking place, or even hard to find time for yourself period, but I'll say to you what Greg once said to me. He said, "If you needed dialysis twice a week would you make time?" Well, of course the answer was yes. He pointed out the seriousness of my condition-being empty and afraid-is no small matter. People die from not being loved unconditionally. We turn to drugs, pornography, alcohol and other deadly behavior. Therefore making time for getting on the conference calls (GETTING LOVED) is just as important, moreso, than anything else that can be going on. It may be frightening to you to talk to strangers (it was for me) and your family WILL NOT understand why you have to make those stupid calls (mine didn't) but it's okay. YOU KNOW why. You know how important they are. It wasn't too long before one of them would say to me, teenagers at the time, "Mom, you need to make a call." I'm touching on this phone call part because it's so vital to your growth.
 
Posting here can help you to feel loved a little,
 
the phone-hearing the acceptance and love of others- helps MORE
 
and face to face is the best.
 
I'm available to talk during the day as well as evenings. Send me a private message if you'd like my phone numbers.  I'd love to talk to you. Hug
 
Love to you,
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Life in our household over the past month has changed dramatically.Thumbs%20Up  Although we still have a few disagreements between the siblings, we Heart(my husband and I) are working together and are able to handle them so much better due to the book Real Love in Parenting.  My husband and I finally agree that anger toward our children is never productive.  My youngest son walked up to his dad tonight, at a football game in front of his friends and his coaches, and said,"I love you, dad!"  Did I mention he is 12!  WOW!  Our kids are feeling happy and safe and, most important, LOVED!  I wish I could buy a book for every friend I have that comes up to me and complains about their children's behavior and wishes they acted more like mine.  I am so grateful that I stumbled upon this website and bought all the books.  Thank You, Thank You, Thank You!!!!
 
I recently was chosen to attend an Oprah show taping.  The show airs this Monday, October 18th.  As I sat and listened to this young man talk about being molested and having no choice,  I really wanted to raise my hand and tell Oprah she needed to read this book for her Book Club or do a show on parenting because their producers were asking for ideas for future shows.  This boy felt like he couldn't go home to his parents and tell them what their friend was doing to him.  I pondered that day that I hope my kids can come to me without feeling ashamed.  I want them to have a safe place to fall.  Every kid needs that and should have that.  I really can't fathom why these books are not more popular, but am doing my part to see that I hand them out to every new parent to produce happier children.  This is my new gift idea!!!
 
I am not on the computer as much because I am spending more LOVING time with my husband, more time with my boys and tonight is Homecoming for my daughter and she is texting me as I sit here to share with me that she danced with a few boys and told me their names.  I am sure there will be a few rocks and or pebbles along my path, but we are on our way to a whole new adventure and I am so grateful my spouse decided to hop in the boat with me because two is always better than one.  Or should I say 5.  Thank You, Greg, for writing these books.  You saved my soul and my family is happy about that.
 
 
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Hi!  Can anyone help me figure out why I cannot log in or send messages.  Thank you!  I am Julifer.
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Hi Julifer.  There's nothing wrong with your Julifer login name.  This is a moderated Forum, so posts need to be approved before they are visible.  There can be "lag time" depending on the schedules of the modeators.  I'm at work right now, so don't have time to say much other than I approved your two posts.  Skimmed the one above and I'm really happy for you.  Still recommend conference calls!  LOL  More later.
 
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