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Sam79
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Topic: Your current employer as a job reference?Posted: 23 Aug 2007 at 11:00am |
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What do you do if a part-time job you are seeking (in addition to your full-time job) asks for references ... AND you do not feel comfortable providing your current supervisor's name? This has happened to me before, and a friend has asked me about this because she is faced with this same dilemma.
How do you say that you are not willing to provide your current employer as a reference without arousing suspicion. |
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Cheryl
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Posted: 23 Aug 2007 at 5:02pm |
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HI Sam79,
Great question. I would be honest and tell the potential part time job person your situation and how you not wanting to stir things up with your boss. I would then offer some other references they could contact letting them know you are being honest and interested in helping them determine if you are the right person for the job.
Does that help?
Most companies are used to people lying, so you being honest up front will get this hiring persons attention. IF he/she doesn't like your ideas, then oh well, and you move on.
Let me know how it goes!
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Sam79
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Posted: 24 Aug 2007 at 2:19pm |
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Thanks, Cheryl. Your response is helpful. I agree that being truthful would be best, but that's about as far as I got in my thought process! I didn't think a step further, though, and consider letting the potential employer know that I'm being honest and want to help them determine if I am the right person for the job.
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Magical
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Posted: 25 Aug 2007 at 2:32am |
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Hi Sam,
Not knowing your situation with your current employer why do you feel uncomfortable sharing your current supervisor's name.
The other question I have is what would your current supervisor / employer say if you asked them if they would be willing to be your reference as you are looking to increase your income (I guess) with a part time job?
All the choices we make have different consequences. We'll go through them as I understand your situation in your current full time employment better.
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Sam79
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Posted: 25 Aug 2007 at 10:09am |
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Hi Magical,
Great questions. I'll try to provide some background/context.
My position is an exempt position, in which the expectation is: " Exempt staff members are required to work as long as it takes to fulfill their responsibilities." Therein lies part of the problem for me. I did not know this until after I was hired, and once I started, I didn't understand what that really meant (i.e., work late during the week and/or work weekends, if that's what it takes). The culture of my organization is that if there is anything outside of your job (school, family, volunteer activities), it is considered to be in direct competition with the job.
In the summer/fall 2005, I decided to apply to law school. I was afraid to tell my employer because I thought I would be treated differently for making plans to leave. I wrestled with this because I also was fearful that if I waited until the time came closer for me to leave during the following summer (2-3 weeks notice) that they would think I was inconsiderate for not giving them more notice. I felt bad (like a bad person) for thinking that I'd hide this from them and not give them ample opportunity to make plans to fill my position. I decided to tell them in the fall. During late fall/early winter, we began our performance review process. I was passed over for a promotion that I felt I deserved. I questioned this for some time. By the time I got an answer, my plans for law school changed. I decided not to go because I couldn't afford it (I didn't earn scholarship money as I'd hoped). In trying to get to the bottom of why I did not receive a promotion, the associate director finally told me that they didn't think it mattered since I was planning to go to law school and would be leaving. So that I was clear, I asked, "So if I did not have plans to go to law school, I would have been given a promotion?" The answer was yes. After that conversation in early spring, it took until July for my to receive the promotion. That broke my trust that I would be treated fairly.
Also during this time, it was especially busy - everyone was overloaded and working well beyond 40 hours a week, myself included. As part of our performance reviews, we are encouraged to solicit feedback in writing from project leaders who supervise our work. I asked for input from a project leader, and it was glowing - not a negative commont or hint of criticism about the quality of my work. However, when several weeks later my supervisor wrote her comments, she wrote the the quality of my work suffered during the fall. I was confused because this was the first time I'd heard that. When I asked my supervisor about this, she couldn't provide any details. In fact, the person that told her that the quality of my work suffered was the same person that wrote a 100% positive evaluation of my work. After going back and forth with this issue, I was told that our client was not happy with the quality of my work. No one - the client or my project leader said anything to me. I was unaware that I needed to make some changes.
Those are the two big things that happened that have caused me not to have too much trust or closeness with some of the folks I work with.
To be balanced here, I have asked my supervisor to serve as a reference for me for a paid summer program, and she was glad to do it. That program, however, was directly related to our work, so I felt that I could better justify my wanting to apply.
I recently applied for an adjunct teaching position at a community college and hoped to be able to teach in the evenings or on the weekend. I didn't supply my current supervisor's name.
I've recently applied for a part time position that has absolutely nothing to do with my current job -- it's more like a fun part time job for me, a way for me to earn some extra money and do something completely different than what I usually do. I have no intention of ever mentioning that to my employer. I'm too afraid.
What would my current supervisor/employer say? It's not so much an issue of what they would say. I think they'd agree to serve as a reference. I just don't want to open up more of my life to them than is absolutely necessary, particularly if it does not directly relate to my current position.
I do my work, and I do it very well ... Since 2005, I've made sure that I'm more on top of things when it comes to making sure people are pleased with the work that I do. When I still lived in Maryland, I have had lots of outside commitments that I have been able to manage - mostly volunteer work in the evenings and on the weekend. Now that I am in North Carolina, I don't have those same commitments, and I'd like to earn some extra money. I want to avoid arousing suspicion that I won't be able to continue doing good work.
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Magical
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Posted: 26 Aug 2007 at 4:00am |
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Hi Sam,
I'll try to provide some background/context.
*** Great, so the thing that you want more than anything is to be genuinely happy, that is what we all want more than anything. Without the one element that is most essential to genuine happiness – Real Love we seek other things. These other things (a partner, a loving family, a job, money etc… ) without Real Love these things seem to be the solution, but only in the short term. However the consequences which are not immediately apparent lead to the ones of feelings of emptiness, the void left by the absence of Real Love. My position is an exempt position, in which the expectation is: "Exempt staff members are required to work as long as it takes to fulfill their responsibilities." Therein lies part of the problem for me. I did not know this until after I was hired, and once I started, I didn't understand what that really meant (i.e., work late during the week and/or work weekends, if that's what it takes). The culture of my organization is that if there is anything outside of your job (school, family, volunteer activities), it is considered to be in direct competition with the job. *** That’s it, this is part of the problem and this is where the Healing power of Real Love needs to be addressed first. You need to start here, to be seen, and feel loved and accepted. As you feel loved and accepted you’ll see choices that will make you happier. What did they do (Employer)? and what did you do? As we go through this the rest of what you’ve written, and feel loved and accepted by sharing your truth you’ll see with a different pair of eyes which will enable you to make happier choices. |
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Sam79
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Posted: 26 Aug 2007 at 12:09pm |
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I've been thinking about this. Prior to working at my current company, I was a 5th grade teacher, and I coached 2 out of 3 sports seasons. I had a COMPLETELY different experience there. As a teacher and a coach, the same expectation existed - my day was not simply 7:30 to 3:30. I had to grade papers, prepare lessons, communicate with parents, coach from 4 to 6, and do whatever else it took to make sure my students were successful. In addition to all of this, I worked part time and regularly participated in volunteer (including church) activities. I did not have the same feelings there as I do with my current job. During the time I taught, I felt very differently toward my colleagues. I felt supported, loved, encouraged, and a lot of other positive feelings. I had no reservations about sharing my outside responsibilities and interests. I believe what played a big role in those feelings is the fact that this was the school (5th-12th grade) where I attended high school. And one of the best teachers/people I've ever met went from being my teacher to being my colleague and professional mentor. I didn't make a lot of money, and I was very content with that.
In contrast, I've had a very different experience with my current employer and several of my colleagues. When I applied for this position, it was advertised as a "Level 1/Level 2" position, and teaching experience was "a plus" (as advertised). Level 2 was the higher level, and I thought I was qualified. I'd completed two years of my doctoral program and I had a year of full-time teaching experience. I'd also had internship experiences directly relevant to this position. I was offered the Level 1 position instead. I was disappointed that I didn't get the Level 2 position, but I decide accept the position. Nearly 6 months or so later, my direct supervisor and I met for lunch to tie up any loose ends before she took her leave of absence. At that time I asked her what kinds of experiences, responsibilities should I try to have in order to be considered for a promotion to a Level 2. Her response to me, "Oh, I thought you were a Level 2."
My thoughts went into overdrive, and I thought that if my own supervisor thought that I was a Level 2, then she must think that I'm doing Level 2 work ... why wasn't I hired as a Level 2? My mind went crazy with all of these kinds of thoughts. I've been acting like a victim, not only with this incident, but with the ones I wrote about in my previous post, and others that I haven't shared yet. Actually, I've been an angry victim ... less and less over time, but it's still there. I started this position in fall 2004 ... I don't want another 3 years of these same kinds of feelings. Edited by Sam79 - 26 Aug 2007 at 12:12pm |
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Magical
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Posted: 26 Aug 2007 at 6:09pm |
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My thoughts went into overdrive, and I thought that if my own supervisor thought that I was a Level 2, then she must think that I'm doing Level 2 work ... why wasn't I hired as a Level 2? My mind went crazy with all of these kinds of thoughts. *** Understandable because that is what you have seen others around you do. You felt you have been unfairly treated, maybe you were, but we don’t have enough information. You responded the only way you knew – which is what you now realize as :- I've been acting like a victim, not only with this incident, but with the ones I wrote about in my previous post, and others that I haven't shared yet. Actually, I've been an angry victim ... less and less over time, but it's still there. I started this position in fall 2004 ... I don't want another 3 years of these same kinds of feelings. *** Good for you. What you need to heal is to find people that will see you clearly, accept and love you no matter what, especially when those feelings of anger and emptiness come up. Edited by Magical - 26 Aug 2007 at 6:11pm |
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Sam79
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Posted: 26 Aug 2007 at 9:39pm |
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Hi Magical, Thanks for reminding me about Real Love and Freedom for the Soul. I haven't read it since before Christmas -- it's definitely time to read it again. I'm reading Real Love in the Workplace right now, and it's been helpful for me to see ways that I have been using Imitation Love and my getting and protecting behaviors in the context of the workplace.
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Posted: 27 Aug 2007 at 1:34am |
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Sam,
The conference calls that I host as a Real Love Coach are based around the principles of Real Love in the Workplace. Consider joining one of the weekly conference calls http://www.reallove.com/member/coachchat.asp
with affection
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