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    Posted: 23 Jun 2007 at 2:19pm
I've been delightfully involved with R.L. for about a month and a half. Changed my life. It occurs to me that I don't know of a way in the R.L. format to help people return to love when the culprit seems to be the thoughts, not a relationship with another.
I have had some experience with helping people return to center (presence) (Self) (Love) by stopping their panicked talk, and having them focus on the sensations in their body and breathe. Last night a woman in my group called feeling very low, and as she spoke about the first "what?" I saw it wasn't "them" or "him" but her own mind that was making her sad, hopeless, despairing.("I shouldn't be this way," "I should have done better at that..." etc.)  So I helped her center in herself, leading her to focus inward and breathe and allow what is there to be there, instead of trying to get away from it. It worked well. When she felt a little calmer, I reiterated some of the R.L. philosophy.
I'd love to hear anyone's response or experiences with this issue, especially those who've had more experience than I.
In gratitude, Adrianna
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Dear Adrianna,

 

I've been delightfully involved with R.L. for about a month and a half. Changed my life.

 

*** I’m thrilled for you.

 

It occurs to me that I don't know of a way in the R.L. format to help people return to love

 

*** Understandable. You’re a “baby” to Real Love. It’s a process of lifelong learning. One of the gifts of Real Love is to feel accepted and loved when we make mistakes, do something foolish, use our getting and protecting behaviors, or use forms of Imitation Love.

 

when the culprit seems to be the thoughts, not a relationship with another.

 

*** where do you think these thoughts came from, rather like how we use getting and protecting behaviors?


 Last night a woman in my group called feeling very low,

 

*** Why was she feeling very low, why did she call you?

 

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The woman called because she was feeling scared and empty, (got turned down for a job) she wanted to feel better, feel loved.
The thoughts that kept looping through her mind were about being a failure, not good enough, etc.

I think we are conditioned to think "it's their fault" or "it's all my fault." Those who come to believe "it's all my fault" take any life circumstance and beat themselves up with their thinking. I'm imagining it's a protecting behavior, somehow... like, "if I am pathetic enough, maybe then you'll be nice to me... I'll get your love, or at least you'll be kinder. " I do this too.

So if I'm using GB's format of What, what, why, what what, Then the first what is: "I feel like sh*t because they rejected me."
Next what: " I went home and my head was full of mean thoughts toward myself."
Why? Because I'm empty and scared, and this is what I learned to do rather than turn my anger on others.
What? I want to stop thinking like this. I'm continually dragging myself down with these thoughts.
What? I call someone for help to love myself even though "they" didn't accept me for the job.

I don't think Greg ever talks about "loving oneself" yet calling someone when you are feeling suicidal, depressed, or elf-abusive seems like a way of loving oneself. Learning to eliminate "fault" from the equation seems like another way of self-love. Would you agree?
Thanks, Adrianna




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Adrianna,

 

*** My mistake – I forgot to mention that it’s always about Real Love.

 

*** Where did the thoughts in our heads come from? – They came from the relationships we had when we were growing up, our parents. siblings, friends, teachers etc… They helped us determine our reality of the world, our self-esteem, our worth, our idea of loving ourselves i.e. our thoughts about ourselves.

 

The woman called because she was feeling scared and empty, (got turned down for a job) she wanted to feel better, feel loved.

 

*** yes, she wanted to feel loved and accepted unconditionally. She hasn’t had much experience of that.

The thoughts that kept looping through her mind were about being a failure, not good enough, etc.

 

*** All the thoughts came from other people that said that she wasn’t lovable because she didn’t match up to their conditions i.e. a particular standard in a job or a task. Then she made up all the reasons why she wasn’t lovable to justify their reasoning – victimhood.

I think we are conditioned to think "it's their fault" or "it's all my fault." Those who come to believe "it's all my fault" take any life circumstance and beat themselves up with their thinking. I'm imagining it's a protecting behavior, somehow... like, "if I am pathetic enough, maybe then you'll be nice to me... I'll get your love, or at least you'll be kinder. " I do this too.

 

*** Yes, that is what has happened to nearly all of us.

*** Read Topic in Real Love Forums : Relationships : General : Real Love Chat - Finding Wisemen

So if I'm using GB's format of What, what, why, what what, Then the first what is: "I feel like sh*t because they rejected me."

 

*** What did they do? – They told you they didn’t love you. In this instance if you didn’t get the job you’re not acceptable, i.e. not lovable. There are other people better than you that are acceptable.


Next what: " I went home and my head was full of mean thoughts toward myself."

*** Maybe something like this, I went for the interview, and I tried to manipulate the interviewer to give me the job because I was desperate. I was lying.

*** Then I acted the victim after because they didn’t give me the job. Then I wanted someone to listen to my tale of woe.

 

Why? Because I'm empty and scared, and this is what I learned to do rather than turn my anger on others.

 

**** The people were not able to accept you with your flaws and your personality.  Getting angry with the Company is fruitless, so a victim is really stuck. (Who knows the Company may or may  not have given the comment in a loving way – It’s just the way it is.)

***  She behaved that way because of a Lack of Real Love in her life.

 


What? I want to stop thinking like this. I'm continually dragging myself down with these thoughts.

 

*** This part is what could I have done in the interview. Told the truth, been honest about the decision (without disappointment, irritation or playing the victim). I understand your decision and you have some reservations about me being employed by you, would you share with me what they are, so that I can learn from this interview?

 

What? I call someone for help to love myself even though "they" didn't accept me for the job.

 

*** What could I have done differently, I could have called someone before I went for the job. Then felt Real Love before I went for the interview.

*** Before the end of the interview – I could have asked them if they had any reservations about me taking the position in their company. As they shared I’d answer them to alleviate their concerns. Then I’d continue asking if they have any reservations until I’ve answered them all. Then at the end just say that based on the Company that I’d be happy to take the job if they were to offer the position.

*** Then make a RL call after the interview to share my success or fears, and my behavior so I can learn from my mistakes and keep feeling more Real Love.


I don't think Greg ever talks about "loving oneself"

*** In the archives there is a daily video coaching Week 10 – How can I love myself?

 

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Hi, Thanks Magical -- I noticed that I was at first shocked at the words "...trying to manipulate the interviewer. I was lying..." Then thought yeah, that could be the truth! I like the ideas about  getting things clear during the interview and especially the one about calling someone first before an event that might be scarey or in the past brought up victim responses. And afterwards.  I'll check out the How can I love myself archive. Blessings, Adrianna
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ClapThumbs%20Up ~ Wow ~ Awesome interaction & solutions ~
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Hi Adrianna,
I appreciate your truth, and I too have had times in a group or on a call and have felt stuck, confused, unsure, nervous, pick one.... in how to offer a perspective or feedback.
The one key I have learned from Greg that has been a HUGE impact in being with people is to love them, first.  The principle of  love, then teach.  Too often I have launched in offering a perspective without taking the time to just be with people and love them while they are feeling the truth of whatever.  I also remind myself that my generous listening is a gift in itself, many of us can't even find people that will allow us to finish our sentence before plowing in with their add on's.
Anyway, the truth is that none of us have really known how to love eachother, thus the importance of this program.
Keep doing what you are doing, and don't be afraid to make mistakes.  It sounds like you supported this person, very cool.Star
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Adrianna,

After reading this thread I have received some very good insight.  I find myself teaching way before I am really loving...

For me I have all  kinds of thoughts in my head that occur during the day.  Some of them are simple little day dreams that are sometimes so hateful, revengeful or sad but with RL I simply look at them as if they were a moving playing in my head.  I then smile at them, because I know that my old mind is just playing the only program that it knows my getting and protecting behaviors.  I even feel positive sensations as I let the getting and protecting dreams play out.  Yes sometime I let the dream keep going instead of stopping it in its tracks.  I then find it very amazing so witness what my body feels.. It is like a little high (power/control) or a little low (victim) but for me I know it is not real and that it is purely imitation love.  For me being able to see this is utterly amazing and assists me with my growth in the world of unconditional love. 

It is great that you are interacting with others on the field of life and sharing with them.

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Wacko Sometimes my mind is not the best place for me to seek solutions
 
It takes some time for me to process things out & come to some conclusion as to how to respond.
 In practicing Real Love, I've been able to keep it simple and stay focused on the conversation at hand.
Staying in the moment, being present
 
Listening for me is a process as well.
I have to filter out the necessary stuff from the stuff that is none of my business- sometimes it's like a corporate office in there.
 
I'm grateful that we have the choice to call our Real Love Group members, a Real Love Coach, the dvd's, join a videochat or look one up in the achives for solutions.
Dunno why I'd choose not to use any of these solutions when I know by experience what the destructiveness of using Getting & Protecting bahaviors does to me as well as all my relationships.
 
~ Be gentle with yourself as your learning to Love others,
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