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bbow73
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Topic: RL @ ChurchPosted: 31 May 2012 at 9:44am |
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Hi, new here.
I'm a youth pastor in Fairfax VA, been practicing RL for about 6 years now. I've led book studies on Real Love at my church 4 times (once with staff, once with parents, and twice with teens). I don't know what I did wrong but it seems like no one has applied the principles that we studied (actually some of the students did pretty well). In my own life Real Love has brought me closer to understanding Jesus than I could have ever imagined. And it has radically impacted my performance as a pastor... but I just can't seem to help anyone else have the 'ah-ha' moments. I see so many getting & protecting behaviors around the church, just seems like it doesn't have to be that way. Any thoughts? -Brian
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bren
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Posted: 31 May 2012 at 12:45pm |
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Hi Brian,
My thoughts are that this is quite normal, and not to worry. Learning and shifting perspectives takes time. And certainly not all people will choose to make the effort to apply the RL principles in their lives, even if they attend a book study or seminar. It's just like church - not everyone is willing or able to truly apply Christian principles in their lives - even if they show up at church regularly. Doesn't mean you are doing anything wrong.
These principles are simple but it's not easy to implement them. Some of them, like the Law of Expectations, just go against everything people have been taught all their lives. It's new territory for many. I wouldn't doubt that you see getting and protecting behaviors being used throughout the congregation. They are used everywhere.
The book Real Love for Wise Men & Women has good info on how to help others in their truth-telling. Sometimes people need to hear/see good examples of what truth-telling is. Most importantly, people need to feel safe and loved and accepted to open up and start sharing their fears and truths. We continue to use G&P's to protect ourselves while we are still blind and in fear.
Love & Peace,
Brenda
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bbow73
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Posted: 31 May 2012 at 2:33pm |
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Thanks Brenda. I'll definitely check out the Wise M&W book. I've also read the Parenting and Freedom for the Soul book.
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rlpkaren
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Posted: 04 Jun 2012 at 8:05am |
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Good Morning Brian. I live in Sterling, VA, attend Unity of Fairfax in Oakton, and have coached Real Love for years. I moderate and answer questions here in the Forums and host the Thursday conference call. All I can do is try to love and teach to the best of my ability. That's all you can do too. Greg says that a great way to live (as a coach or wise person) is not to get disappointed when people don't like what we say or prideful when they do.
Over the years I've seen HUNDREDS of people show up, play at the principles for awhile, and leave to go on to the next thing. They don't stay long enough or work hard enough to have Real Love make any difference. They want a quick fix and when that doesn't happen, they leave. Even those who have "ah-ha" moments don't necessarily hang around because they lose faith that it ever happened. I asked Greg once after reading yet another letter from a totally miserable and suicidal person "How do you keep doing this?" And he said even he gets discouraged on occasion. He has enormous faith, Greg! He believes the principles are divinely inspired and true. And I have to remember that every now and then one person that reads these posts catches fire and they incorporate the principles into their lives. The same holds true with my conference calls. I just show up every week, do my best to love and teach people, and give up any expectations. We never know who we touch or how. I also wonder what are You doing to stay full yourself? Do you get on conference calls, make individual calls, talk about your G&Ps to other wise people? Hopefully you do. You can't feel loved by a book. Sending love to you, KarenH Certified Real Love Coach
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Learn from your mistakes and recognize that everything in life can be used as a lesson once you are willing to be teachable.
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bbow73
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Posted: 07 Jun 2012 at 10:11am |
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Thanks Karen, small world. It was a member of your church that first took me though the RL book (& I think I may have met your youth pastor last Christmas, not sure).
Great insights, great encouragement and great advice-thx. I have two friends versed in RL that I can be totally real with. I swing from 90-99% with my wife who is also a diligent practitioner of RL. And I absolutely practice RL in my relationship with God. When I realized I was using getting & protecting behaviors with God is when everything changed. My faith was fueled by ideology and will, I was desperate to feel loved by God and I was the one preventing it. I'm really glad I got out of that trap, but now I see it all around me, people that don't feel loved coming to church every Sunday to get 'refueled' after running on empty Monday through Saturday. Coming to understand RL helped me to finally understand my faith... and make sense of the Bible. I don't have the same (annoying to some people) zeal about all of this, but I still really want to help people. I've never considered the conference calls, I'll definitely look into that. Thanks again
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catt
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Posted: 29 Jun 2012 at 12:39am |
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"I just can't seem to help anyone else have the 'ah-ha' moments"
Hi Brian, My name is Cory. I've been reading Real Love materials on and off for about 8 months. I'm not very good at it yet... but I'm improving. The first and only thing I wrote in this forum until now was when I first began immersing myself in the material and quickly felt like I hit a serious wall... the wall I believe you are referring to here. I have two things to say at this point... 1) I came to a conclusion that the best way for me to help others is to help myself via Real Love... which, in turn, actually changes how I view others... which is very much like changing THEM without actually changing them. It's actually a very spiritually simple answer to a complex question about how to change the world... by changing my perception of it. 2) In the first post I made in this forum, I stated that my goal was to make the process of being able to be Loved and Loving "Easy". The existing Real Love materials are an amazing resource... but they are primarily in a form that, in my opinion, is very technical... very scientific. Personally, this is why I relate to it so well compared to many other approaches... however, my experience has shown me time and time again that many people need different approaches to be able to "feel" something in order to truly learn and accept it. For example, Art, in it's many forms, can possibly convey the "feeling" of Real Love more effectively with some people than linguistic descriptions can. While I do believe that the form ( language, etc ) is secondary to the idea that the message needs to be delivered by a person who is capable of being loving while they deliver it, this same thing can be done with other mediums of communication... including art... and I suggest that humans are actually more naturally suited to effectively receive artistic communication than technical communication. One of my personal ideas as of late is to use drama as a method of teaching Real Love... because acting is a safe way for people to practice different emotions and, in doing so, get a sense of how they feel. Essentially, it would be like a Real Love game... a way to have fun while engaging directly in the principles of Real Love without the potential negative effects of using it in the "real world" before a person is ready for that. In line with what I wrote in #1 above... my personal goal for something like this idea would be that I would get to use this "acting game" myself as much as possible to accelerate my own practice and learning. If any of this interests you, please let me know. |
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dancer
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Posted: 29 Jun 2012 at 7:49am |
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catt,
What a fascinating idea to teach RL by drama. I'm envisioning a game where people 'play act' various scenarios of telling their truths of their use of G&P behaviors while being loved and accepted by the other players. And then perhaps this 'play acting' will make it less scary to tell one's truth for real in real life. Perhaps your concept is totally different but I'm quite intrigued by it. dancer |
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catt
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Posted: 29 Jun 2012 at 8:44am |
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"Perhaps your concept is totally different but I'm quite intrigued by it."
*** There are many approaches I can imagine... from the most simple ideas that can be generally used by anyone to specifically developed techniques to help RL professionals become even more effective. Your specific suggestion is definitely one of the thoughts that crossed my mind. FYI: I simultaneously wrote a slightly different detail elsewhere in the forum where I had posted a topic months ago, and where you actually responded to me as well ( http://www.reallove.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=1070 ). I'm interested in brainstorming on this and developing things from it. Perhaps this should be it's own topic in the MISC category towards that goal. |
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dancer
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Posted: 29 Jun 2012 at 9:42am |
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catt,
"Perhaps this should be it's own topic in the MISC category towards that goal." ***Why not try it and see what develops. ***Additionally I'd perhaps suggest contacting Greg Baer and sharing your drama thoughts with him to get his insights. He's done RL longer than anyone and had more experiences dealing with exposing people to RL and might thus provide insights on what are some of the hurdles/difficulties that are typically encountered (which could then be addressed by this concept you're considering developing.) dancer Edited by dancer - 29 Jun 2012 at 10:07am |
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