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jim65
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Topic: queryPosted: 14 Aug 2011 at 1:09pm |
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Hiya all, I have a query. I have been reading and studying Greg's Real Love methods for some time and a lot of it is sound advice which I would agree with. On the other hand there's some aspects of it which bother me for example: I have read here and there on this forum that it is not possible to do this on your own and that it is not possible to 'love yourself'. Why? If I am reading and learning, what do I need further than that? And why suppose that one can not find love in one's self? I like many teachers, amongst others Byron Katie who is an amazing example of Greg's work in action btw.... and so I don't see why the idea that you cannot love yourself or variations of same keep cropping up here. Any clarification on this would be appreciated.
Yours IN love,
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RLP Angla Nin
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Posted: 14 Aug 2011 at 8:11pm |
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Hi Jim, I hope this helps. This is one of Greg's Blogs.
Love to you,
Angela
On a great many occasions I have been asked questions like, "How can I learn to love myself? I don't have much self-esteem, and it's affecting me in a lot of negative ways. People have told me I should love myself more, and I'm trying to, but it's not making much difference."
When we're very young, we don't formulate our own ideas about the nature of the world. We're not born with the knowledge, for example, that it's dangerous to play on the highway. We're taught this truth by people who are more experienced, and when we're young, we naturally tend to believe them. After all, adults--notably our parents--are masters of our universe, all-powerful and all-wise. When they tell us, therefore, that the hot stove will hurt us, or we'll freeze in the snow if we don't wear a coat, we generally believe them. Occasionally, we test their knowledge--by touching a hot stove, for example--but overall our experiences prove that our caregivers are right. In short, the people around us--parents, teachers, and others--teach us what the world is like. To be sure, they are often unaware of what they're doing, just as we are quite unconscious of being taught, but the process is nonetheless powerful and real. Much of what we were taught was right and beneficial--playing on the highway is bad, for example--and we were wise to listen to our instructors in these instances. On many other occasions, however, our teachers taught us principles that were false and destructive, and we lacked the experience and wisdom to know when we were being taught lies. We accepted the entire package--truth mixed with error--that was handed to us. One of the incorrect principles we learned involved the concept of our worth. As a child, when you were quiet, clean, and obedient, it's likely that the people around you smiled, spoke kind words, and in other ways communicated that they loved you. When you were dirty, loud, and otherwise inconvenient, undoubtedly you noticed that the reactions of others were quite different. On these latter occasions, you saw frowns, irritation, and withdrawal, and from these behaviors you learned this terrible lesson: When you're "good," I love you, but when you're "bad," I don't--or, at the very least, I love you less. No one intended to teach us this lesson, but it was nevertheless taught clearly and powerfully. We heard people tell us with their behavior that when we made mistakes, we were unacceptable, and even though that message was selfish and incorrect, we still believed it. It didn't occur to us to question whether these all-powerful adults were right or wrong as they taught us falsehoods along with the truth. When a parent is angry, what four-year-old is capable of responding, "Dad, let's talk about this. Do you really think this is all about me? Is it possible that you're just feeling empty and afraid yourself, and that you're taking it out on me so you can get a brief sense of relief from being powerful?" Impossible. By virtue of their positions of authority in our childhoods, our parents and others were able to dispense principles and perspectives that we received as unquestioned laws. At that age, what else could we do? The lessons we were taught about our lovability and worth have had far-reaching consequences. In order to be happy, the one element we all require most is unconditional love--Real Love--but our parents and others clearly communicated that we were worthy of "love" only when we were good. Without sufficient Real Love, we were painfully empty and afraid, and most of us have spent our entire lives trying to fill that emptiness with whatever feels good temporarily: praise, power, money, sex, and so on. These "imitations" of love, however, can never make us happy, a lesson most of us have thoroughly proven on countless occasions. Only Real Love can fill us up. Where, then, can we get this Real Love that's essential to our happiness? In self-help and psychology literature, we commonly encounter the fervent recommendation that we love ourselves, and that has come to be accepted as the true path to happiness by many--virtually an axiomatic mantra. Before we dedicate ourselves entirely to this course, however, let me suggest a metaphor that might be illuminating. Let's suppose that you are hopelessly lost and starving to death in the middle of the desert. I approach you on foot, and after hearing your situation I ask, "So, why don't you just feed yourself?" How would you feel? Would you not think or say, "With what?!" You can't give yourself what you don't have, and for me to suggest otherwise is both foolish and unkind. Similarly, when we feel unloved, empty, and afraid, we simply cannot get the Real Love we need from ourselves. Over a lifetime we have consistently observed that when we didn't behave in the ways that our parents and others expected, these god-like figures clearly communicated that we were flawed and therefore not worthy of their love. The vast majority of us, then, have received little or no Real Love, and without it we are simply not in a position to give unconditional love to anyone, including ourselves. We really can't give what we don't have. Why, then, is there so much talk about loving ourselves? Because we have experienced so much disappointment in our efforts to find other people who will love us unconditionally. Over and over, we have developed enormous hopes and expectations that a particular person or group of people would finally love us in the way we needed, and repeatedly we have experienced the searing pain of disappointment, even betrayal. In an attempt to avoid more of that pain, we simply avoid the risks of looking for love from others. Instead, we try to love ourselves, because it's safer. After consistently disappointing experiences, we simply give up on looking for love from other people. We advocate loving ourselves because we see it as the only choice we have. A belief in loving ourselves also justifies our avoidance of interaction with others, where we might experience more of the rejection we fear most. This understanding about the futility of loving ourselves brings us to the notion of self-esteem. The term itself is misleading. As we've discussed, we were taught by others what we're worth, so how we view ourselves would not properly be called self-esteem, but other-esteem. We simply believed--and continue to believe--what other people taught us about our worth. So, how do we go about changing this artificially deflated valuation of our worth? And if loving ourselves isn't the answer, what is? It is from thousands of experiences that we have acquired our belief that only conditional love exists--and that somehow we don't measure up in the world of Imitation Love. In order to change that belief--in order to trust that Real Love exists and that we are infinitely worthwhile--we need new experiences and new evidence that we are worth loving unconditionally. We must acquire this new evidence from other people, from people who can genuinely accept and love us. You will create the opportunities to be unconditionally loved only as you tell people the truth about yourself--about your mistakes, flaws, fears, and foolishness, as well as your successes--and allow these people to accept and love you as you really are. Understandably, you've likely been reluctant to do that because of the many occasions when people have been disappointed in you or angry with you when they learned about your flaws. Remembering those painful experiences vividly, you're anxious about repeating them. In order to prevent more such experiences, you've learned to withdraw more and hide yourself. Ironically, however, when you hide, you guarantee that you'll feel alone and unloved. Delightfully, there is a way out of this awful pattern of fear and hiding. You can exercise a little courage and faith and make a decision to start telling the truth about yourself to people--just a few in the beginning--regardless of the painful experiences you've had in the past and the fear you're experiencing now. Tell someone about your fear of being around people. Share a few of the mistakes in your life. That might be a bit frightening in the beginning, but if you'll do it anyway, you will eventually find people who will accept you, and then you'll begin to know the profound joy you've always wanted. It all becomes possible when you starting being honest despite your fear. It's true that some people won't accept you, but that just won't matter when you find people who do love you. These loving experiences will convince you that you are worth loving without doing anything to earn it. As a result of the unconditional love of others, you'll learn that you are infinitely worthwhile, and you will experience true happiness. The need for loving yourself--or for self-esteem--simply fades away. I realize that what I'm saying here contradicts a widespread notion, but I've seen so many people experience consistent and terrible frustration in their efforts to love themselves. The effort leaves them even more discouraged and alone. For a short time, loving ourselves often seems to work, but uniformly it proves to be an illusion. To be sure, as we feel more loved and happy, we lose our self-loathing, but that's not the same as loving ourselves. We must exercise the faith and courage required to share with others who we really are. If we do, we will find people to love us unconditionally, and the rewards of those experiences are beyond expression.
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Pielady
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Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 12:11pm |
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My question is, how do we find this "unconditional love" in a society and family that is so full of conditional love? It seems strange to turn to strangers on the internet who do not really know you to find unconditional love. I do have some friends and family that I do find this kind of love with, however, I have difficulties in the broader wider environment of the world to feel accepted. I found out recently that I have ADHD, and because of this, sometimes I do not always act "normal" and people pick up on this and think I'm strange. I'm not always aware of the subtleties of these interactions, so I am often clueless as to why I am rejected. So, I have at least 2 very good girlfriends that I can share with and my three children treat me with unconditional love. However, I would like to remarry eventually and I have difficulties knowing how to relate to men in an unconditional manner. My parents and siblings are very much conditional love people. I was not perfect in raising my children, but I think for the most part I gave them the message that I love them unconditionally. Not that I never yelled or anything, but I think I at least did a better job than did my parents. I was a single Mom and didn't have a lot of outside love, but I did depend a lot on God to love me unconditionally. I have found that church people can be some of the most conditional love people there are.
Anyway my question is how to find others, support people, who love unconditionally and how to find a mate who will love me unconditionally. It really is my goal, to learn how to love unconditionally, and I had articulated this before I found this website. I really do want to give what I give out of a heart of love, and not because I am coerced into giving it or I'm manipulating someone to give back to me. And I want to receive this same love back. I actually have avoided dating up until the last few years because I did not want confusion and drama for my children, who are now grown, and also because I am afraid and annoyed with relationships which are "tit for tat" or "you do this and I do that". In other words, I never again want a relationship that is not unconditional. And yet, as I have started dating, I have seen myself falling into similar old patterns that I do not like. I do fall into using controlling behaviors that do not work.
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Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 2:01pm |
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pielady,
You asked: My question is, how do we find this "unconditional love" in a society and family that is so full of conditional love? Anyway my question is how to find others, support people, who love unconditionally and how to find a mate who will love me unconditionally. ***Some ways are to call into the free conference calls and/or get the list of Real Love phone numbers and make daily (or several times a day) calls to get yourself filled up. See the RL website for the days and times of the conference calls and the call-in number. Or you could set up coaching calls with any of the RL coaches. *** And regarding dating, I'd suggest reading (or listening to the CDs) of Real Love in Dating. It's an awesome book that FINALLY gives us some useful information on how to find a RL partner. Also, on Sunday nights Becky leads a great group on RL in Dating. It's at 8pm EDT for one hour (free, at the same phone number as the conference calls). She just started a new 8-week session last week. If you are interested and have the time, you could join the group this week without having missed much. dancer |
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Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 2:10pm |
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Thank you,
This sounds really good. How do you get the list of Real Love phone numbers? Does talking to strangers really help? It seems kind of weird. : P I'm on central time and am trying to think, that would be 7:00Central? Where is the phone number and how do you sign up? I really am interested in marrying again eventually and when I go on dates with people and some of the warning behaviors happen in me or them, I just quit and not try.
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rlpkaren
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Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 6:09pm |
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If you decide to start attending the free conference calls, you can ask for a list. Someone on the call will send it to you. Yes, talking to strangers helps, if you're willing to tell the truth about you. If you continue to call they won't be strangers. And you may find it easier to call someone you've heard on a call rather than calling blind. You don't have to sign up for conference calls--just show up. The schedule is here on the website. It's easy to find on the site's home page. I believe all the calls show up in East Coast time, so everyone has to compute from that. Currently I host the call at 8:00 pm on Thursday.
And my thought is that you really shouldn't be dating at all until you have a better understanding of the principles and feel more loved. I'd be surprised if Becky didn't tell you the same.
Love and joy,
KarenH
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Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 10:05pm |
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Pielady.
You asked: Where is the phone number and how do you sign up? As Karen mentioned, there's no need to sign-up, just call in. The dating call is on Sunday nights at 8pm EDT. In case you have trouble finding the free conference call number, it's (712) 432-0180, at the prompt enter the code: 776868#. For more details on ALL of the conference calls go to: http://www.reallove.com/conferencecalls.asp Love to you, dancer |
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